The 2015 Bisley GRAWS
Flyer below for the Bisley GRAWS for 2015. Please download, print and circulate around your local clubs.
Flyer below for the Bisley GRAWS for 2015. Please download, print and circulate around your local clubs.
Flyer below for the Gallery Rifle Competitive Calendar for 2015. Please download, print and circulate around your local clubs.
The SAW is more or less running to its standard format with additions and differences as detailed below. The usual discount incentives apply for multi-event entries. However new for 2015 is a hefty 40% off for Under 25s.
Ever wanted to have a go at the Bianchi but not had the time or been bewildered by the technicalities or course of fire? Now is your chance. The three most demanding elements of the Bianchi are available on a single stage basis with 1:1 coaching by the best shooters of the discipline. Simply enter as usual via the entry form and you will be squadded for a half hour detail. Available to anyone – give it a go – you’ll learn a lot.
New to the SAW will be events specifically for Historics and Classics. To encourage classic and historic shooters to become more involved we have included a historic element to the weekend, with popular events available on the Sunday on Cheylesmore and Short Siberia. In addition the usual gallery rifle events that can be shot with historic arms.
A separate entry form if you want to shoot the classics.
The classification breakpoints have changed for 2015 which means many people’s classifications will have also changed. Of course these affect the classified events only – Namely – T&P1, T&P2, Multi-Target, Phoenix A, The 1500, Bianchi and Advancing Target.
The new classifications breakpoints are now listed and been uploaded into the database. You can check classifications via the links below. Any queries let me know.
On the basis of Feedback (or lack of) the following rule will be inserted into the rulebook for 2015. Affects T&P2, T&P3 and 1500
Procedural penalties
c. Touching any part of the barrel with either the firing hand or supporting hand of an LPB and LBR when using the barricade.
A pistol shooter recently said to me:
While we’re at it can we outlaw people holding the barrel for the barricade stages, this wasn’t allowed for 1500 pistol so why is it allowed now?
They were referring to the style of shooting which has evolved since we have been shooting our long barrel variants. So what does this mean?
Well – if you refer to the graphic on the left and imagine that revolver shooting one of the barricade matches – 1500, T&P2 etc. It is possible with that sighting system to wrap your whole hand around the barrel in front of the scope and press that firmly into the edge of the barricade or post.
The resulting shooting position is very stable and comfortable. The shooter could actually release their firing hand from the revolver or pistol’s grip completely and hold with the weak hand.
But its fairly obvious this is only possible because there is enough barrel to grab hold of and the sight line with a scope attached is high enough to allow a bunch of fingers to be over the top of the barrel. Take a look at the graphic on the right and picture yourself trying that with iron sights or a 4″ or 6″ barrel. (OK we know the latter is not possible any more).
However the former is and with the sights rules ofr pistols being split into irons and any next year should we look at outlawing the barrel grip method for barricade shooting?
A suggestion that stage one of the T&P2 match for pistols – which is 6 shots in 5 seconds – from the holster, is a little unrealistic to be able to get well aimed shots off. Its at 10m but , even so, to acquire the target, (release the safety catch), get a decent sight picture and then get 6 shots off is still more of a spray and pray issue rather than any sort of target shooting at a closer range.
T&P2 for LBR and LBP is not a very popular event. A count of only 9 shooters at the 2014 Phoenix meeting for LBP and 4 for LBR means that any timing changes are not going to impact anything too onerously.
On that basis the 10m timings for T&P2 pistol matches will change for the 2015 season to 6 shots in 8 seconds – shot twice. All other timings will remain the same.
The GB Shooting Show runs from Friday 13th February to Sunday 15th February at the same venue as last year – namely the Stoneleigh Park International Centre, Warwickshire, CV8 2LG.
All being well the Gallery Rifle discipline will be represented again at the show. This is only possible with kind support from Target Shooter Magazine and the Show organisers. Please support the show. Tickets available now online.
New proposed 2014 classification breakpoints for Pistols (LBR and LBP) are listed below. As with the Rifles adjustments some people will move up and some down.
The 1500 | ||||
Class | LBP-old | LBP-new | LBR-old | LBR-new |
X | 1460-1500 | 1490-1500 | 1460-1500 | 1455-1500 |
A | 1400-1459 | 1445-1489 | 1400-1459 | 1400-1454 |
B | up to 1399 | up to 1444 | up to 1399 | up to 1399 |
Bianchi | ||||
Class | LBP-old | LBP-new | LBR-old | LBR-new |
X | 1825-1920 | 1895-1920 | 1825-1920 | 1825-1920 |
A | 1750-1824 | 1750-1894 | 1750-1824 | 1750-1824 |
B | up to 1749 | up to 1749 | up to 1749 | up to 1749 |
T&P1 | ||||
Class | LBP-old | LBP-new | LBR-old | LBR-new |
X | 295-300 | 298-300 | 295-300 | 298-300 |
A | 285-294 | 292-297 | 285-294 | 292-297 |
B | up to 284 | up to 291 | up to 284 | up to 291 |
T&P2 | ||||
Class | LBP-old | LBP-new | LBR-old | LBR-new |
X | 580-600 | 588-600 | 580-600 | 570-600 |
A | 560-579 | 560-587 | 560-579 | 540-569 |
B | up to 559 | up to 559 | up to 559 | up to 539 |
Multi-Target | ||||
Class | LBP-old | LBP-new | LBR-old | LBR-new |
X | 115-120 | 115-120 | 115-120 | 112-120 |
A | 105-114 | 107-114 | 105-114 | 106-111 |
B | up to 104 | up to 106 | up to 104 | up to 105 |
Phoenix A | ||||
Class | LBP-old | LBP-new | LBR-old | LBR-new |
X | 175-200 | 189-200 | 175-200 | 180-200 |
A | 160-174 | 176-188 | 160-174 | 160-179 |
B | up to 159 | up to 175 | up to 159 | up to 159 |
Advancing Tgt | ||||
Class | LBP-old | LBP-new | LBR-old | LBR-new |
X | 175-180 | 178-180 | 175-180 | 176-180 |
A | 165-174 | 167-177 | 165-174 | 170-175 |
B | up to 164 | up to 166 | up to 164 | up to 169 |
Following the reforming of the Gallery Rifle and Pistol sub committee, a number of issues were put forward and highlighted as problems. The main one was communication for shooters away from Bisley, and how we can provide better information and services for all. Although there is a web site for gallery rifle looked after by Neil Francis and another by John Robinson they are probably unknown to many, but once you have found your way round them there is a lot of helpful information on them. The NRA site is based round Bisley, and the existing system of area representatives operated by the NRA are not suitable for our needs of keeping gallery shooters informed about what is happening or planned.
So how do we improve things? The first step is setting up a network of area reps to act as a conduit to gather information on clubs in the area, their facilities, types of shooting catered for, instruction offered and contact details. We can then help them by providing training in the area for specific disciplines, and training people up as instructors with out having to travel to Bisley as required.
The role initially would involve listing clubs catering for gallery rifle and pistol in the area and build up a repertoire with them, then once established and running keeping in touch with them and their members, feed back their needs to the sub committee.
We need volunteers in the rough areas shown on the map to help us improve the help and support available to gallery rifle and pistol shooters in the country. We want more people to take up the sport, improve so that they could be in a position of representing their country, or just get more out of the sport.
The areas are shown on the map and open to amendment but offered as a starting point suggestions from people knowing the area will be taken onboard.
If you think you can help and are prepared to put in some time and effort to further the sport, please contact; ted.george52@gmail.com with a brief bit about your shooting interests so we can tell people who’s their contacts are.
Many thanks in anticipation of you help.
Ted George.
If anyone any updates, changes, niggles, typos etc for the 2015 rulebooks please let me know as soon as possible.
The GR&P Rulebook and Phoenix book will generally follow the same format for 2015 as previous years.
We are working on this now so feel free to send anything through.
We run seven classified events on the Gallery Rifle circuit and a few hardy souls work behind the scenes to keep the integrity of these classes intact and current. Just to remind everyone – the classified events are:
And the classified gun types are GRSB, GRCF, LBP and LBR.
So wherever you enter one of these events on the classified circuit with one of those gun types you will shoot in your class, against others in your class and will be subject to promotion if appropriate.
The classification breakpoints have not been adjusted for a few seasons now and some are in need of maintenance. Proposed adjustments are listed below for both Gallery Rifle SmallBore (GRSB) and Gallery Rifle CentreFire (GRCF). Any readjustment of the boundaries may well place people into a different class of course. Our current rules are to promote people immediately upon hitting a class promoting score (to take effect at their next event).
End of (2014) season classes all shooters have ended up in are obtained via the classification database. To see where you will end up under these new breakpoints check out the online tables here. You could move up or down. The general principle for aligning the class breakpoints is to create a hierachy of shooters as previously described elsewhere.
The 1500 | ||||
Class | GRSB-old | GRSB-new | GRCF-old | GRCF-new |
X | 1475-1500 | 1478-1500 | 1490-1500 | 1493-1500 |
A | 1450-1474 | 1455-1477 | 1480-1489 | 1485-1492 |
B | 1425-1449 | 1425-1454 | 1465-1479 | 1468-1484 |
C | 1375-1424 | 1375-1424 | 1435-1464 | 1427-1467 |
D | up to 1374 | up to 1374 | up to 1434 | Up to 1426 |
Bianchi | ||||
Class | GRSB-old | GRSB-new | GRCF-old | GRCF-new |
X | 1870-1920 | 1865-1920 | 1890-1920 | 1895-1920 |
A | 1820-1869 | 1811-1864 | 1850-1889 | 1855-1894 |
B | 1750-1819 | 1746-1810 | 1815-1849 | 1815-1854 |
C | 1600-1749 | 1600-1745 | 1725-1814 | 1725-1814 |
D | up to 1599 | up to 1599 | up to 1724 | up to 1724 |
T&P1 | ||||
Class | GRSB-old | GRSB-new | GRCF-old | GRCF-new |
X | 295-300 | 299-300 | 300 | 300 |
A | 285-294 | 292-298 | 297-299 | 298-299 |
B | up to 284 | up to 291 | up to 296 | up to 297 |
T&P2 | ||||
Class | GRSB-old | GRSB-new | GRCF-old | GRCF-new |
X | 575-600 | 586-600 | 590-600 | 595-600 |
A | 525-574 | 556-585 | 575-589 | 585-594 |
B | up to 524 | up to 555 | up to 574 | up to 584 |
Multi-Target | ||||
Class | GRSB-old | GRSB-new | GRCF-old | GRCF-new |
X | 110-120 | 114-120 | 115-120 | 118-120 |
A | 100-109 | 106-113 | 108-114 | 111-117 |
B | up to 99 | up to 105 | up to 107 | up to 110 |
Phoenix A | ||||
Class | GRSB-old | GRSB-new | GRCF-old | GRCF-new |
X | 175-200 | 187-200 | 185-200 | 195-200 |
A | 160-174 | 166-186 | 175-184 | 182-194 |
B | up to 159 | up to 165 | up to 174 | up to 181 |
Advancing Tgt | ||||
Class | GRSB-old | GRSB-new | GRCF-old | GRCF-new |
X | 285-300 | 287-300 | 178-180 | 179-180 |
A | 260-284 | 269-286 | 170-177 | 173-178 |
B | up to 259 | up to 268 | up to 169 | up to 172 |
Whatever we do here – we’ll be dammed I suspect….
The LBR and LBP situation is similar to current GRSB and GRCF for the seven classified events we run on the circuit. Classes of X, A and B are applied to the pistols. Any sights can be used on pistols but its been suggested that LBRs should have an Iron Sights (or classic) class similar to GRCF.
This was received with general acceptance by the GR sub-committee as revolver shooting has that legacy of the ‘au naturel’ and many revolver shooters even now simply don’t shoot any other other way.
So we split off a 4th class, which is (relatively speaking) easy enough to do, but the result is even more salami slicing of the LBR shooting divisions. We now end up with an iron sights only class and any sights classes in X/A/B divisions.
Add to this the ‘us too’ follow on request from LBP aficionados when the above request started to get around and its a similar story here as well.
So – here is the proposal for 2015 – for the pistols.
Two classes only to be run for both types of pistol:
As simple as that.
Comments?
Mark Dennehy, an Irish ISSF shooter, has penned a concise reaction to the recent Irish report from the Department of Justice and Equality / An Garda Síochána Working Group on Review of Firearms Licensing. Its worth reading.
The Gardai published a new copy of the “Commissioners Guidelines” and The Department of Justice published the “Working Group on Review of Firearms Licensing Report, November 2014” very recently.
It has the potential of decimating most target shooting in Ireland.
In the Gallery Rifle community we spend a great amount of time enjoying the company of and competing against our friends and sporting colleagues in Ireland every year. I think we’d all agree the Phoenix meeting would not be the same without the guys from the Emerald Isle and and the NASRPC Irish Open is enjoyed by many a touring Brit.
The Sports Coalition has asked people to join their campaign and offer support to their petition.
Please offer support – do what you can.
We have not really looked at shifting the classification breakpoints in Gallery Rifle for about four or five seasons. However the last couple of years have shown that its getting slightly crowded up at the top of some events.
The point of breaking events into classifications is to allow shooters of varying abilities to compete amongst their peers. Its an alternative way of running a handicap system. Lots of sports run leagues or split competitors into divisions of more or less equal ability. We are no different in this respect.
Various opinions on how to adapt the class boundaries and and how to continue to manage them. The philosophy we are adopting is to attempt to build a hierarchy of classification breakpoints which enable people to test their shooting abilities and climb to a position in the system whilst not discouraging them from ongoing competition.
The overall model we are aiming for is a hierarchy of classes where an approximate split in the shorts events for X, A, B boundaries will divide shooters along 10%, 30%, 60% groupings. The split in 1500 and Bianchi for X, A, B, C, D boundaries will divide shooters into 5%, 10%, 20%, 30%, 35% groups.
Classifications will change next season to attempt to reflect these groupings.
Twelve prizes were on offer for top shooters this year through the sponsorship of Wentworth Sporting Supplies, Neil Jones Shooting and Rude Fat Dog.
The final Ranking Tables can be found elsewhere on the site. The idea is to keep season long ranking tables showing how people are performing in the popular events of T&P1, Multi-Target and 1500. If you shoot any of these events through the year you will automatically be added to the tables. To get into the competitive section you need to have submitted at least 4 scores though. If you are shooting more than 4 registered comps a year you will be into the competitive section and will be fighting it out with others to prove your consistency and skill through the year.
To spread the honours about evenly they were limited to one prize per shooter. Where the same person has topped more than one table I’ve adjusted the prize offerings accordingly .
Many Thanks to our Stats Guru Neil Roberts who has crunched these tables through the year and got them onto the website in very prompt fashion.
The Wentworth Sporting T&P1 Rankings
The Neil Jones Shooting Multi Target Rankings
The Rude Fat Dog 1500 Rankings