Bianchi Barricade Firing Area

January 18, 2013 Neil 2 comments

Bianchi Barricade Firing Area

A fair bit of discussion of the Bianchi Barricade Firing area and its absolute boundaries which was posted back in November. Bearing these comments in mind, associated with some off-line discussion, the decision has been made to essentially keep the ruling as is but ensure it is more consistently defined.

As long as at least some part of the foot or feet is touching the marked boundary behind the barricade the competitor will be declared to be within the shooting area. Refer to the graphic which shows foot positions to the left hand side of the barricade. The same criteria will apply to the right hand side.

This is contrary to the stricter definition and enforcement of the foot fault line in other events but there are are differences with the Bianchi Barricade match which have led to this decision. The main reason is this is a pistol match which we have decided to continue shooting with rifles. With barricades involved the difference between shooting around a barricade with a rifle is sufficiently different for the above foot positions to be deemed sensible.

Please note – as the rule historically stood there seemed to be a perceived difference depending on how the shooting area was actually marked and constructed. A raised boundary seemed to be treated differently to a simple painted line or similar. This is no longer the case (if ever it was). No matter how the firing area is constructed and marked the above foot rules will apply.

As has been the case for a number of seasons the rear of the barricade shooting area is unbounded and extends back to infinity.

This foot fault paradigm will also apply to the barricade stage of the Los Alamitos match.

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Multi-Gun Match

January 17, 2013 Neil No comments

Multi-Gun Match (National Shooting Centre (NSC), Bisley) (National Shooting Centre (NSC), Bisley)

Over the weekend of the 16th and 17th February this Match will incorporate stages for

Civilian Service Rifle
Target Shotgun
Long Barrelled Pistol and Gallery Rifle.

Held on Butt Zero, Century and Short Siberia’s central turning target range.

Match Conditions and Courses of Fire

Entry Form

Competitions none

GRAW Team Events

January 13, 2013 Neil 11 comments

GRAW Team Events

A few years ago Team events were introduced into the GRAW matches. The objective was to encourage clubs to come along and enter some of the events with that 4th person who maybe would not have entertained coming along by themselves but would come to make a club team up.

After a fairly slow start the matches started to get fairly popular and then all of a sudden over the course of a season (last season – 2012) have essentially died a death.

A number of questions?

What is the reason?
Was 2012 a blip?
Are their too many team events, too few, wrong events?
Is the definition of a club team too loose?
Are to many well known ‘X class’ teams putting off others entering? Does some sort of handicap system need to be employed to encourage shooters of any ability to compete on equal footing?
Is a 4 person team to heavy on numbers – should they be pairs or teams of three?
Has the novelty just worn off?
Any other reasons?

Decisions will have to be made fairly soon because if nobody is going to enter we may as well pull them from the peripheral meetings (that means SAW) and just keep them maybe for the Phoenix. Appetite even at the Nationals last year seemed lacklustre.

Comment back, let me know, email me, Tweet me, Facebook me – whatever… Otherwise I’ll be making this decision myself and I’ll probably get it wrong. Please don’t tell me I told you so after the event.

Current 4 person team matches

25m Precision GRSB
25m Precision GRCF
Timed & Precision One GRSB
Timed & Precision One GRCF
Timed & Precision One SG
Multi-Target GRSB
Multi-Target GRCF
1500 GRSB
1500 GCRF
Advancing Target GRSB
Advancing Target GRCF

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Imperial Gallery Rifle & Pistol

January 12, 2013 Neil 2 comments

Imperial Gallery Rifle & Pistol

The Mander Trophy

The 2013 Imperial Gallery Rifle and Pistol section of the Bisley Bible is now in final draft

The section is available in PDF Format.

There have been some fairly minor changes this year:

Muzzle Loading Pistol America Match has been dropped
Muzzle Loading Pistol Grand Aggregate reduced to 5 events
Universities Team Grand Aggregate has been dropped
Advancing Target bullet count reduced from 36 to 24 (now 4 runs of 6. Three on each target)
LBR and LBP gun types added to the Police and Service medal matches
Beaufoy Team Trophy reassigned from the GRCF Gallery Rifle match to the Scott and Granet ~~GRSB~~ GRCF Medal events
Highest Possible Score (HPS) crosses now available to be claimed.

The NRA shooting committee will finalise all sections of the Bible , including section 4, the GR&P booklet, at the January meeting of Shooting Committee which is on 24th January 2012. Comments are still theoretically possible.

Full details in the P&GR section of the Bisley Bible

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Swingball Steels

January 10, 2013 Neil 9 comments

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SWINGBALL STEELS ACTION

A proposal for a competition for two people, shooting against each other.

Got no mates? Don’t worry – we’ll pair you up with another shooter – you may even meet someone you like better than yourself!!

Proposed cost £8.00 per pair

Comp time: Circa 20 minutes.
Targets: Eight five inch steel plates. Four each side arranged, initially alternately.
Distance: Initially twenty metres.
Round count: Min. 20 (unlikely). Potentially high (how good is your opponent?)
Guntype: .22 rifle .22 pistol
Magazines: As many as you think you will need but with a max of ten rounds in each. Magazines may be on the person or on the table, any reload must be with a new magazine taken from same. Conjoined magazines will be considered to be a single magazine when mag changing
Time allowed: Between 15 and 25 seconds. Only the RO knows the allotted time. Or depending on the system used, nobody knows.
Start position: Standing, gun muzzle on pad to raise “flag” round chambered safety off. (See right – very natty)
Runs: Five – that is – 5!

Course of Fire

On the beep shoot the targets on your side of the tree over to your opponents side, and continue to do so until either

All of the targets are on your opponents side of the tree.

(the RO will call a win as and when this occurs)

OR

Time expires. the competitor who has the least number of steels his side wins.

At the end of a run the loser will shoot back the excess steels of his choice to his opponents side ready for the next run. In the event of there being an equal number of steels each side that is a draw.

In the case of a draw at the end of the five runs then we go to sudden death.

Load with one round only, on the beep shoot one of your steels to the opponents side
The first to knock a steel to the opponents side wins, max time allowed 5 seconds.
Sudden death will be repeated until there is a winner.

Swingball steels

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Standards – Changes

December 23, 2012 Neil 1 comment

Phoenix Standards – Some proposed changes

We”ve been asked to change some standards breakpoints. The following events have been highlighted below which have been suggested require review. Standards have an effect on the Phoenix grandmaster medal claims.

Any comments or any other events which people consider incorrect or please get in touch.

Full background analysis is here

0121 – 25m LBP – NEW TARGETS INTRODUCED
[table]
2012,2013
xx,210
xx,200
xx,190
[/table]

0301 – 50m GRSB – INCREASED
[table]
2012,2013
285,288
280,284
275,280
[/table]

0321 – 50m LBP – REDUCED
[table]
2012,2013
260, 240
240, 230
220, 220
[/table]

0322 – 50m LBR – REDUCED
[table]
2012,2013
250,240
240,230
230,220
[/table]

0522 – America Match LBR – REDUCED
[table]
2012,2013
270,260
260,250
250,240
[/table]

0904 – T&P2 Classic – INCREASED
[table]
2012,2013
580,585
575,580
570,575
[/table]

1304 – Phoenix A Classic – INCREASED
[table]
2012,2013
188,190
185,188
180,184
[/table]

3336 – BDMP Cup – Semi-Auto – INCREASED
[table]
2012,2013
116,118
112,116
108,114
[/table]

4902 – Surrenden – GRCF – NEW EVENT
[table]
2012,2013
xxx,255
xxx,250
xxx,245
[/table]

4903 – Surrenden – Open – NEW EVENT
[table]
2012,2013
xxx,250
xxx,245
xxx,240
[/table]

4904 – Surrenden – Classic – NEW EVENT
[table]
2012,2013
xxx,245
xxx,240
xxx,235
[/table]

5301 – 100/200m GRSB – INCREASED
[table]
2012,2013
86,90
82,86
78,82
[/table]

5985 – 400/500/600 FTR – NEW EVENT
[table]
2012,2013
xxx,220
xxx,210
xxx,200
[/table]

6185 – 800/900/1000 FTR – NEW EVENT
[table]
2012,2013
xxx,220
xxx,215
xxx,210
[/table]

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The Multi Target Match

December 18, 2012 Neil 3 comments

The Multi Target Match

A fair bit of feedback on the Multi-Target walkdown proposal. Most of it in favour of at least having the option. Even if your friendly match director does not take the opportunity of the potential flexibility this offers you can only lead a horse to water….

However flexibility does bring complexity and it was pointed out that a consistent scoring and countback mechanism was needed if this was to fly. Stats crews do have their own grumbles in this area. Believe me – algorithmic tangles will lead to disgruntlement in more places than the stats office.

So in order to offer the flexibility required a new score card is proposed which places slightly more emphasis on both shooter and Range Officer on the point and on the day.

Countback methodologies for many GR&P events when ties on bullet scores and X counts exist start with the furthest distance first mechanism. The theory is – shots from the furthest distances are counted with highest regard so ties can be effectively broken if recursed in this way.

In the case of a multi-target walkdown we are faced with the problem of breaking ties with 12 shots on each target. We no longer have the luxury of knowing when those shots were placed. The left hand target has 75% of its shots from the 25 and 20m lines so we have some leverage there.We can split ties on the left hand target perhaps. Recall, we are looking for operational flexibility, to be combined with statistical ease of computation. Hence the following proposal:

A new scorecard for the Multi-Target match which will record scores for either a Staged procedure or a Walkdown procedure. The countback process for whichever method will be as follows:

Highest bullet score overall – followed by
Highest number of Xs overall – followed by
Highest number of 5s overall – followed by
Highest number of 4s overall – followed by
Highest number of 3s overall – followed by
Highest number of 2s overall – followed by
Highest bullet score on the Left hand target – followed by
Highest number of Xs on the Left hand target

Using the new proposed scorecard stats crews will simply enter the left and right hand bullet counts into their difference engines. Competitors will have to do a little more work at the target depending on how the match was shot. At most – all shooters probably need to add up to 12, else ROs will.

We now end up with a consistent and feasible method of breaking ties however the match is shot based simply on a left and right hand target bullet count.

Comments – as usual – welcome.

Proposed Multi-Target Scorecard

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303 Rifle Events

December 10, 2012 Neil 3 comments

303 Rifle Events

At the Phoenix Meeting there are events specifically for the .303 rifle.

The .303 Rifle class is at present ‘Any .303 Rifle’. Its probably hard to justify the fact that it is fair to have people shooting ‘As issued Rifles‘ competing alongside shooters who have fitted telescopic sights and bipods.

In fact it seems grossly unfair…….

So – one suggestion is to split the current .303 class into three.

Class 1 would be ‘As issued‘ using the issued sights and sling. In other words the old NRA Classification of Service Rifle A.
Class 2 would be any iron sights. So a shooter could fit a target rear sight and sling and would be in accordance with Service Rifle B.
Class 3 would be ‘Open Class‘. This would enable the use of telescopic sights and bipods/sandbag to support the supporting hand.

OK – this is fine in theory but the obvious problem here is the event is now being sliced into three and this may be a bit thin. The HBSA declares two classes – issued sights and the rest. Another option is to widen slightly this and separate into two classes of any iron sights (shot using a sling and no other support) and any rifle using any sights and any type of support – bipods/sandbags/axle stands etc.

There is also a request to consider a .303 aggregate. What do people think? Is the .303 being ringfenced a little too much here? Can’t the .303 just be lumped in with any other legacy military calibre rather than kept separate and isolated? This would solve the potential salami slicing of the event too thinly if nothing else!

Any comments on these points or anything else?

Competitions, News, Rules none

Phoenix 200M Rifle Events

December 9, 2012 Neil 4 comments

Phoenix 200M Rifle Events

For the following Events shot at the Phoenix and some of the the GRAW weekends.

200 yds RIFLE – event numbers 6380, 6381, 6382, 6391

6380: Any fullbore rifle with any sights.
6381: Pre 1950 .303 military rifle with iron sights as issued.
6382: Any pre 1980 military rifle with iron sights as issued.
6391: Any pre 1950 non .303 rifle with iron sights.

The current rules states:

Single point slings and shooting gloves are not allowed and although shooting jackets may be used they were not to be used to attach to slings etc. The course of fire is currently:

Practice 1: prone. 4 sighters and 10 shots to count in 5 minutes
Practice 2: prone. 10 shots to count in 1 minute
Practice 3: kneeling. 10 shots to count in 5 minutes
Practice 4: kneeling. 10 shots to count in 1 minute

So – overall the ethos of this competition as it currently stands is as lightweight and simple as possible – free of any support or bracing aids.

However we have received some comments and suggestions that bipods, rests or bags should be allowable in his competition.

Its open for comment. What do people think?

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ILRPSA Rule Revisions

December 9, 2012 Neil 1 comment

ILRPSA Rule Revisions

There will be some rule changes which will apply to the long range events at the Phoenix meeting for next season. These are constrained to event timings and slight revisions of some definitions. The Phoenix Booklet will be updated to reflect these changes

Event 5321: 100/200 LBP – Practice 2 (200 yds) : sitting, seated in a flying machine or prone. This event is shot under ILRPSA conditions, i.e. a V bull scores 7
Event 5342: 100/200 MLR – this event is shot under ILRPSA conditions, i.e. a V bull scores 7
Event 5563: 200/300 Free Pistol A – Now open to any custom made pistol chambered and firing any cartridge. This event is shot under ILRPSA conditions, i.e. a V bull scores 7
Event 5762: 100/200/200 Allcomers B changed to Allcomers Hunter Class – any volume production revolver. Scopes allowed.
Event 5767: 100/200/200 Revolver A – changed to be changed to Allcomers Revolver – open to any centrefire revolver. Open Iron sights only.
Event 5965: 400/500/600yds. Production Free Pistol A – changed to Production Free Pistol – any volume production pistol chambered and firing any cartridge. This event also changed from being shot under ILRPSA conditions to NRA conditions.
Event 5968: Free Pistol 18.5ins barrel – changed to Free Pistol – any custom made pistol chambered and firing any cartridge. This event also changed from being shot under ILRPSA conditions to NRA conditions.
Event 6168 800/900/1000yds: Free Pistol 18.5ins barrel changed to: Any custom made pistol chambered and firing any cartridge. This event also changed from being shot under ILRPSA conditions to NRA conditions.

The following events have been deleted largely due to lack of interest.

5564 200/300 yds Free Pistol B
5761 100/200/300 yds Allcomers A
5963 400/500/600 yds Free Pistol A
6163 800/900/1000 yds Free Pistol A

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Christmas RO Shoot

December 4, 2012 Neil 1 comment

Christmas Range Officers Shoot

This now confirmed in its usual format for Saturday 19th January.

More details in the Calendar.

!!!CANCELLED!!!

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Standards

December 1, 2012 Neil No comments

Standards

Event standards are set out in the GR&P and Phoenix booklet. They are set for most events.

At the Phoenix Meeting gold, silver and bronze standards are allocated points and all competitors are eligible for a Grand Master Standards medal by accumulating an appropriate number of points.

The current Grand Master achievement score is 20 point based on the following allocation

Bronze Standard: 1 point
Silver standard: 3 points
Gold standard: 5 points

Standards breakpoints are reviewed every year but nobody has the time to plough through years worth of data or annual results to make sure all these standards are completely 100% accurate and fair. This would be nigh on impossible in any case and they are only really supposed to be a bit of fun. Obvious errors, omissions and updates are addressed and anything pointed out will be looked at.

A few standards were changed for the 2012 season. As a result some data was collected mainly to review how the Open and Classic Gallery Rifle events introduced in to the 2010 season were progressing.

The following spreadsheet contains this data. Its not an exhaustive list. As can be seen a few events are proposed to be tweaked for next year as indicated.

Standards Comparisons

If anyone has anything they thing needs looking at or if they think any standards are wildly inconsistent please let me know.

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Site Mobilized

December 1, 2012 Neil No comments

Mobile Detect

Additional stylesheets and CSS has been installed to make the site mobile friendly. It should auto-detect the device you are coming from and deliver an appropriate mobile friendly set of pages. If you browse or visit the site from a mobile phone or equivalent device you will get the mobile version of the site.

Please note – I’ve tagged tablet devices as mobile devices. Even with a a 10″ tablet its nowhere near the likes of the defacto standard 24″ retina display most of us have on our desktops these days :-).

Anyone who wants to switch to browsing the ‘standard’ site can easily so so. Just follow the appropriate pointers on the mobile site (scroll to the bottom).

No excuses not to keep up.

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Sans Alibi

November 26, 2012 Neil 4 comments

Malfunction Allowances

About 4 years ago we decided to migrate a few events into the GR&P event portfolio from other similar meetings. These were more ISSF oriented events and the conditions and standards associated with these events were different.

The events were imported without modification and the special conditions associated with the appropriate courses of fire were kept intact. The main difference between the two tranches of conditions are to do with malfunction allowances. GR&P events tend to be shot ‘without alibi‘. In other words there is no allowance for malfunctions.

If something goes wrong its down to the shooter to solve the problem within the time constraints of the competition. Sometimes easy – sometimes not. Its all down to the what happens on the day – Sans alibi, C’est la vie.

The events migrated, and the ones which the current GR&P rule book allows for malfunctions, are as follows:

Event 23: 25m Timed
Event 25: Sport Pistol
Event 27: Standard Pistol
Event 43: Granet
Event 45: Scott
Event 47: Imperial Silhouettes

The proposal is to withdraw the Malfunction Allowance for these events so they align with all the other events within the Gallery Rifle & Pistol event set.

As always – comments and feedback welcome.

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Los Alamitos – Modifications

November 25, 2012 Neil 2 comments

Modifications to the Los Alamitos Match

Although Los Alamitos isn’t often shot at Bisley it has been an alternative match that has been used if the Mover is not available. Its also shot at Mattersey and was actually offered as a stand alone event in 2012

The current COF has evolved from the pistol days, but not necessarily consistently, or taking into account range restrictions. Hence the modifications suggested below.

These changes will:

Allow for a 48 round COF, instead of 42. Thus, it maintains the round count when substituted for the Mover. (although can’t be seen as a record score for the whole match).
Takes into account the ‘minimum 10 metre rule’, applicable to a lot of ranges (especially Bisley, where shooting at 7m exposes the shooter to risk of ‘on metal’ ricochets from the target frames.
Spreads the challenge across more distances – the original was very 7 / 10 metre centric.

NOTE – this will change both times and distances for the match.

Existing Course of Fire

Suggested Course of Fire

Stages 1-5 of this match are shot standing unsupported.Stage 6 is shot standing supported by the barricade.

Stage 1

7 metres 3 seconds 2 shots on centre target
3 seconds 2 shots on right target
3 seconds 2 shots on left target

Stage 2

7 metres 5 seconds 2 shots on each target

Stage 3

7 metres 6 seconds 2 shots on each target,
strong hand/shoulder

Stage 4

7 metres 10 seconds 2 shots on each target,
LBP, LBR: weak hand freestyle
GRCF, GRSB: weak shoulder

Stage 5

10 metres 18 seconds 2 shots on each target
LBP, LBR, GRSB: reload
GRCF: reload with a minimum of 2 rounds
2 shots on each target,
LBP, LBR: weak hand freestyle, GRCF, GRSB: weak shoulder

Stage 6

25 metres 10 seconds 2 shots on each target, right side of barricade
10 seconds 2 shots on each target, left side of barricade

Stages 1-5 of this match are shot standing unsupported.Stage 6 is shot standing behind the barricade (using it for cover and support). Foot faults will apply. Start for LBP, LBR: from the Holster, with hands above shoulders.

Stage 1

10 metres 3 Separate exposures of 3 Secs, 10 Seconds away time
LBP, LBR: to re-holster between exposures, safety re-applied.
3 seconds 2 shots on centre tgt.
3 seconds 2 shots on right tgt.
3 seconds 2 shots on left tgt.

Stage 2

10 metres One exposure of 6 seconds – 2 shots on each target
LBP, LBR: Strong hand only (i.e. NOT supported by weak hand)

Stage 3

10 metres One exposure of 10 seconds – 2 shots on each target,
LBP, LBR: weak hand freestyle (i.e. supported by strong hand)
GRCF, GRSB: weak shoulder

Stage 4

10 metres One exposure of 18 seconds – 2 shots on each target freestyle
LBP, LBR, GRSB: reload
GRCF: reload with a minimum of 2 rounds
2 shots on each target,
LBP, LBR: weak hand freestyle (i.e. supported by strong hand). GRCF, GRSB: weak shoulder

Stage 5

15 metres One exposure of 8 seconds – 2 shots on each target freestyle

Stage 6

25 metres 10 seconds 2 shots on each target, right side of barricade
Reload in slow time
10 seconds 2 shots on each target, left side of barricade

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